Animats 2 days ago

Looks similar to most other mid-level remote procedure call protocols, from XMLRPC to CORBA. The usual sync, async, poll, progress test problems apply. Things I'd expected to see and didn't:

- Client to server: "tell me what you can do". This has always been hard, but in the LLM era, it could potentially work, because a textural response would work.

- Similarly, being able to ask "How do I..." might be feasible now. It should be possible to talk to a new server and automatically figure out how to use it.

- "How much is this going to cost me?" Plus some way to set a cost limit on a query.

  • mgraczyk 2 days ago

    cost isn't part of MCP in the same way that cost isn't part of HTTP. It wouldn't really make sense to include that in the protocol, just put it in the application layer on top.

    • hansvm a day ago

      It's a little different. These are systems which are explicitly able to achieve better or worse outcomes by tuning the cost, in ways that aren't especially configurable otherwise. For an HTTP API, you can read the docs and use the small image vs large image endpoint or whatever and have a clear idea of what you're getting and for what cost. For LLMs, it would be very nice to be able to communicate about the desired and actual cost breakdowns for each sub-action.

      • mgraczyk a day ago

        It would also be nice to do that for http for the same reason. You can also read the find Docs for your MCP, and the LLM can also read the docs

    • boleary-gl a day ago

      Especially since the cost in some (most?) cases won’t be from the MCP server but from the LLM using it

    • b0b0b0b a day ago

      Http 402: “my time to shine”

  • Spivak 2 days ago

    The first one is included, you can ask for available actions as well as mcp sever feature support. Is there something else that's missing?

  • cyanydeez a day ago

    honestly, it looks like an unnecessary additional protocol to a REST API. Couldn't you just add a "LLM-description" (optional) field to any RESTAPI that provides a JSON description of how to use it? That's what it sounds like because every LLM already will have it's own "idea" of how to use a MCP interface. So why have a totally disparate thing.

    Just seems like i+1 syndrome with computing.

jeswin 2 days ago

Given their anti-trust struggles, if Google for some reason dominates AI, they'd not want people to bring up anti-competitive behavior as a reason for that. Adopting open standards, especially open standards conceived outside Google is good for everyone including Google. They're well placed - from research to hardware to software and data.

They'll also want the industry to rapidly move forward and connect data to AI. MCP has momemtum.

  • phh a day ago

    To escape the anti-trust struggles, they'll need to provide MCP servers (meaning provide callable tools). Stopping at providing MCP client (the chatbot that connects to MCP servers) isn't enough.

    I'll believe in Google not actively being anti-competitive when I (a paying customer) can access/modify my gmail, google contacts, google sheets, plan routes in google maps, ... from my local llm chatbot using mcp.

    • Tyr42 a day ago

      I mean, people already have MCP wrappers around the Gmail API.

jappgar a day ago

I'm kind glad that the industry is distracted by vibe-coding, "tools" and MCP.

It's so clearly a dead-end. It gives freethinking developers and innovators time to focus on the next generation of software.

lawrenceyan 2 days ago

It doesn't really matter what it is as there are many equally good implementations, but whoever sets up the framework first and cements usage is likely to guarantee dominance for the foreseeable future. Probably into AGI and post.

Model Context Protocol seems good enough to me.

  • bn-l 2 days ago

    The idea behind smolagents is better.

    • vineyardmike 2 days ago

      I agree the idea seems much better - and I think it's what a lot of big-shops are doing internally too. An earlier article [1] showed that internally, gemini has a python sandbox it uses to call other google services.

      I'm guessing the main limitation is that it's harder to orchestrate, especially on clients.

      1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43508418

flakiness 2 days ago

I hope Gemini gets a desktop app where MCP servers are more useful, but wonder if Google's security posture allows it.

pgt 2 days ago

Google owns 14% of Anthropic, author of MCP.

  • karmasimida a day ago

    No public information whether Google's investment in Anthropic leads to voting power though.

    • boleary-gl a day ago

      I think we can assume even if it is any voting power, it’s far less than 14%. No startup growing like that would give up shares with the same voting rights as the founders

omneity 2 days ago

I hope they also improve their JSONSchema support for structured output and tool calling. Currently it has many limitations compared to OpenAI’s, for example it doesn’t support “additionalProperties” which eliminates an entire class of use cases and makes it immediately incompatible with many MCP servers.

Marketing the API as OpenAI-compatible and then me getting 400s when I switch to Gemini leaves a sour taste in the mouth, and doesn’t make me confident about their MCP support.

oezi 2 days ago

Does MCP solve authentication on user's behalf which stifled OpenAI's GPTs?

Tools often need access to data sources but I don't want to hard code passwords.

  • skeeter2020 2 days ago

    it depends if you're using stdio or http. the former gets credentials from the environment and the latter oauth.

  • evantahler 2 days ago

    check out arcade.dev for this!

noisy_boy a day ago

They have a chance to come-up with a user-friendly framework on top of MCP and make a big difference in acceleration of adoption. Cherry on the cake would be if they can build a UI on top of it to build/monitor/visualize. Hosted by them with a generous free-tier i.e. more private data to munch on for ads (only half joking).

edandersen 2 days ago

Are they going to release a Gemini desktop app with MCP support so normal people can use it?

behnamoh 2 days ago

Well, Google is one of the major investors in Anthropic, so I'm not surprised.

phildougherty 2 days ago

interested to see if Agent-to-Agent protocol duplicates the MCP functionality eventually

  • skeeter2020 2 days ago

    I guess they could both expand into the other's current domain, but right now they're solving pretty different problems.

stevenalowe 2 days ago

Master Control Program?

  • cwilby 2 days ago

    It's 2025's ROT13 cipher for API. /s

    It's also "Model Context Protocol", a protocol for LLMs to interact with third-party services.

    • smcnally 2 days ago

      The ROT13 cipher for API is NVK. NVidia Knows

    • stevenalowe 20 hours ago

      isn't that exactly how the Master Control Program started?

skybrian 2 days ago

It’s terribly insecure as-is [1]. But so was HTTP. The spec isn’t final, so hopefully it will improve.

[1] https://blog.sshh.io/p/everything-wrong-with-mcp

  • dheera 2 days ago

    > MCP initially didn’t define an auth spec and now that they have people don’t like it.

    Just wrap it in an SSH tunnel or a HTTPS websocket

    > MCP servers can run (malicious code) locally.

    Just run it in a Docker container

    • senko a day ago

      >> MCP initially didn’t define an auth spec and now that they have people don’t like it.

      > Just wrap it in an SSH tunnel or a HTTPS websocket

      I assume this is sarcasm, but if not (and for people that take it at face value), it fundamentally misunderstands what auth is used for.

    • Sayrus 2 days ago

      > Just run it in a Docker container

      You should probably read the original article in the footnotes of OP's article: https://equixly.com/blog/2025/03/29/mcp-server-new-security-...

      While a container will surely protect you from those, it will also prevent you using the features implemented by those MCP Servers.

      • Havoc a day ago

        Containers are usually considered pretty weak security at best. Especially since you don’t always control what the user does with it (docker va rootless podman etc)

bluSCALE4 a day ago

Anyone else wish Google would just stay away from MCP? They manage to ruin everything.

  • sph a day ago

    I hate to say it but Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.

    Phase one is adopting it (you are here). Phase two is somehow turning it into a Web standard deeply integrated with Chrome which they have no real competition from and takes billions of dollars just to stay apace with.

    Not sure about Extinguish to be honest, Google just wants the monopoly and they already have it.

lovich 2 days ago

Is there a good place to read on what the benefit of MCP is? I'm behind the curve on this agentic AI shit and am not quite sure where to look

whalesalad a day ago

it's wild to me how rapidly this has exploded in popularity. there's even a twitter account/site dedicated to news updates - https://x.com/getMCPilled and mcpilled.com

tuyguntn 2 days ago

Didn't Google introduce A2A just few days ago? Why Google itself is not heavily invested in their protocol?

Smells like a new project in Killed By Google graveyard.

  • danpalmer 2 days ago

    A2A - "Agent to Agent", MCP - "Model Context Protocol", they're different things solving different problems.

  • refulgentis 2 days ago

    They did.

    We're observing a response to takes that A2A meant they weren't going to support MCP.

    Everyone's got a take and a response these days, it's a nice little infinite loop of complaints and that keeps PR kicking.